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overview for nagora So, if I understand correctly, you refuse to believe that Christ existed because, 2,000 years later, you cannot locate a textual fragment, written by bague or rose histoire d’or someone at the time Christ supposedly existed, who did not believe he was the son of God, and who was his enemy. It obviously more than that. bague or rose ceramique Imagine that you had never heard of Caesar and someone told you about this great general that rose up bague or rose piaget through the military to become emperor bague or rose cartier of a great empire. bijoux pas cher Do you believe them Well, why not Sounds plausible. coque huawei Then this person mentions that the only records of bague homme argent avec zirconium this guy was by a few biographers from 60 or more years after he died. No one else mentions him, not even people writing histories of the regions he was active in. 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He says that his enemies, bitter at their defeat at his hands, have never recorded any of this as they didn want to «dignify such a guy by immortalizing him in their historical records.» Maybe you saying «I don believe that» now. coque iphone It not the lack of evidence alone, but that bague homme juive is certainly a factor. coque iphone No one at all writes about Jesus in his supposed lifetime none of the gospel accounts are from the time bague or 2017 or even claim to be, while Paul openly tells us that he only saw Jesus in spirit form and people who are in the area and writing about events during a turbulent period don mention him. coque iphone But then, bague or rose diamant rose after he feeds the 5,000 at Bethsaida Jesus made exactly zero converts there so perhaps there was just something jean delatour bague or rose about him that put people off. coque huawei Of course, there are in bague or blanc fact such letters about the ruckus in the temple, but they were written a few decades after it supposedly happened, by bague or rose galeries lafayette people who seemed to bague or rose torsadé like the guy, so you dismiss them out of hand. If the «letters» were written by witnesses it would be a start. But they are «a friend of a friend saw.» and, as you say, decades bague or harley davidson after the fact. Probably bague homme acier 316 more than a few too. coque samsung You are correct though in saying that I applying a double standard here but that normal when examining a claim you don use the cartier bague or rose claim itself as support for the claim. coque huawei If you were examining the claims of, say, a modern pagan cultist of Odin, would you simply accept as evidence the fact messika bague or rose that several members of the cult had written books about the wonders that Odin has performed Of course not, unless there bague or blanc aigue marine were testable claims therein which I think you would test. coque samsung External evidence is a normal requirement for claims, bague or jaune diamant occasion especially extraordinary claims of people performing miracles and coming back from the dead. The testimony of enemies is always a good sign as people rarely make up polemics about people they don think existed, although it does need to be contemporary to be much use. It is bague or rose avis to say that such criteria are unrealistic, and by such, hardly any such historical figures could now be considered to have actually existed. coque huawei I don think it reasonable to say that the criteria is unrealistic and I feel that if you applied your own standards then we all have to accept the existence of UFOs, Prester John, and BigFoot. Can you think of an example of a generally accepted historical figure who would fail the test Of course, that not a fair question for the reasons I started this post with most historical figures are not said to have caused all the dead in a cemetery come to life and parade through a busy capital city like Jesus is said to have. coque huawei To say that the evidence for the existence of, say, Phaedrus has to reach the same standard as that for someone who could transform materials by pure will force is very unreasonable. coque iphone noticed that some Christians don practice Christianity very well, became angry at them, that you decided that you didn want to be identified with them anymore This is just standard «oh, those people bague or jaune didier guerin aren proper Christians» stuff that gets rolled out all the time when defending lying and genocide. coque huawei I will say that the lying and genocide are not related to my position the existence or otherwise of a god is unrelated to the nature of that god. coque samsung I brought them up earlier only because you made a specific claim that belief in an afterlife is proof against such behaviour. It clearly is not and for what I think are obvious reasons. As to sources, it actually quite hard to find sceptical sources of any quality. Where I work there are hundreds if not thousands of books on Christianity and Theology and I say that less than ten are sceptical. coque huawei The non sceptical ones do share one thing in common: they rely on earlier work. When you trace that work backwards through them, you eventually hit a black hole around the 3rd Century (AD). bijoux pas cher The whole edifice is balanced on the finest of fine points, utterly incapable of supporting the weight above it. The real problems are in the original source text the Bible. No offence I enjoying the conversation even if it a bit one sided, but if you don want to present any evidence or arguments I don really have time for so many long posts. coque iphone Have you researched about extant biblical fragments To some extent. coque iphone Mainly I focused on trying to find the oldest versions of text. coque iphone So you mean to tell me that, despite your careful research, you have not found one extrabiblical reference to Christ I think I told you that several times. coque iphone Maybe the terms need to be defined more closely. goed hoesje I looking for a reference to the specific person written by someone who has no pre conceived notion of his divinity and who is contemporary. The best case would be an enemy. The search is complicated by the fact that «Jesus» isn a very rare name at the time, being just a Helenisation of Yeshua/Joshua. So, for example, Josephus chronology is difficult to cleanly connect to the Bible account and it, even with bague or rose noircie the later additions removed, is by far the closest thing I found to a viable reference. But is written around 93 AD by someone working in Rome rather than locally. in any case, it amounts to little more than saying that there bague or us army were people called Jesus knocking around at the right time one of them even superseded to the high priesthood.
